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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 12:13:37 GMT -6
Yeah, that's very nice...at any level!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 15:03:55 GMT -6
Unless the HL votes to change it's own bylaws, Southern Indiana isn't eligible for membership to the HL until they are done with their transition to D1. Member Institutions of the League 2.1 Membership in the League
2.1.1 Member institutions of the League must be active Division I members of the National Collegiate Athletic Association (“NCAA”) and shall be governed by, comply with and agree to administer their athletic programs in accordance with the Articles of Incorporation, Bylaws and Operating Regulations of the Corporation and the NCAA. grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ilch/genrel/auto_pdf/HLHandbook.pdfI was looking at the posts in this thread again after watching the USI arena video. According to the HL bylaws Big DWSU, the HL seems to have indeed circumvented their own rules. NKU was not an "active" Division I member of the NCAA, since they had not completed the transition period and had not been given clearance by the NCAA. Northern Kentucky only achieved that status July 1, 2016 for the '16-'17 season. Maybe the HL figured they had to pull the trigger on NKU because of the potential they saw in the institution and its programs. Not saying that the League would do this, but if they did it for NKU, who's to say they won't do it for Southern Indiana?
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Post by gbphoenix1 on Dec 8, 2017 10:11:15 GMT -6
So on the bright side of the HL now sucking, they can invite USI to move to D1 without it being a drag on the conference RPI. When you already have 5 of the bottom 50 teams, no need to worry about the negative impact of adding a 6th as it can't get much worse!
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Post by gbphoenix1 on Dec 8, 2017 13:50:41 GMT -6
I will give this one a shot.
On the money side from what I was told in the past the HL splits their tournament money into 12 shares. One share for each team. One extra share for the team that actually made the tournament. One share for the league. The current value of a tournament share is $1,700,000. If that is divided 12 ways the means each share is worth $141,666. If you add 2 more members that means the $1,700,000 is divided 14 ways or makes it worth abut $121,428 per share. If that is still accurate this doesn't feel like a big money decision. If each conference member has to play less non D1 non conference games they might actually draw more fans at the gate. They can make some or all of the $20,238 they are losing just by playing better games at home.
Competition and attendance matter to recruits, they want to play competitive games in front of crowd. If you can continue to get better recruits you can grow the league. Concordia St Paul games don't help anything but a competitve Fort Wayne game might.
If you have 12 teams and you add two that are in the 150 range that helps to pull up the average metrics for the league. It is killing the league now that they have 5 of the 10 teams are in bottom 50. It would help the metrics if only 5 of 12 team teams were bad. Look how down the diehards are now, what is that going to do to casual fans? Improve the metrics and it likely makes fan interest better. Fan interest makes every other financial component of a program better. More fans to donate. Adverstisements are worth more money. Supply and demand of tickets can lead to an increase in price. I know in GB they get more people for conference games than they do for Lakeland, Parkside or Rockford. It would be good for business to play more conference games.
Also, if you improve the metrics of the league it helps our current one bid get a chance to win in the big dance. The closer they get to an 11 seed and the further away they get from a 15 seed the better the chance of winning and making an extra $1,700,000 for the league. With more teams you could try and get creative with unbalanced scheduling to only have the best teams play the best teams more and avoid the anchors. They don't have the option now.
My final thought is that the league has to look for under valued programs. For example they could be teams that have just built facilities or are about to get new facilities, that have had success in the past or at lower levels or teams that aren't a fit for their current league. If you add some of these marginal teams they might get an NKU effect. They will recruit better and play better than they had in the past once they get to the HL. Adding UMKC or SIUE for example is dumb, they have nothing to suggest success is forthcoming. If the league gets an undervalued expansion right and have some combination of Milwaukee, CSU, UIC and Detroit return to past levels while GB, Oakland, NKU & WSU at least maintain the league actually havs a chance for the league to get two bids every once in while. Now that is an extra 1.7mm dollars to split.
If what I was told was accurate and we are talking about $20,000 per member then there is no reason to not expand. Especially if the Murray, Belmont, NMSU & GCU's of the world are non starters now and for a long time to come.
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Post by gbphoenix1 on Feb 21, 2018 21:39:57 GMT -6
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Post by ougrizz05 on Feb 22, 2018 11:39:50 GMT -6
It looks like they will be a good addition to whatever league they join whenever they become D1. Of course we are newer to the league, but based on 3 of the last 4 HL additions being a homerun (here's looking at you Ooey Pooey) I have some level of confidence in the league's addition process.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2018 17:38:08 GMT -6
If the League is thinking about going to 12 or even 14, could USI be in the mix, allowing them time during the transition with no pressure because there will be enough teams to cover their assumed RPI liability?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 18:05:23 GMT -6
Come on Big DWSU, are you serious?! None of them have any interest except Fort Wayne? Not even Robert Morris? Other teams gotta see that the League has the potential to improve (yeah, I'm the eternal optimist)!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 22:34:55 GMT -6
Wow! Quite frankly, that's messed up!
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Post by nodak on Mar 12, 2019 2:22:30 GMT -6
Believe USI is headed for the OVC. Evansville now hosts the tournament and if Murray St gets an MCV invite, the OVC has to depend on USI to pack the stands. Nashville had Belmont, TN St, Austin Peay and others nearby but had bad crowds unless Murray St was participating.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 16:23:20 GMT -6
Believe USI is headed for the OVC. Evansville now hosts the tournament and if Murray St gets an MCV invite, the OVC has to depend on USI to pack the stands. Nashville had Belmont, TN St, Austin Peay and others nearby but had bad crowds unless Murray St was participating. How will adding USI replace Murray State fans? Didn't MSU fans fill the arena? How many Evansvillians will flock to see the teams of the OVC? And you seriously think the Eagles will take an invite from the OVC over the HL? Joining the HL will give them exposure on ESPN and open up recruiting markets for them in Chicago, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Indianapolis, Dayton, Milwaukee and Detroit. Come on nodak!
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Post by nodak on Mar 13, 2019 22:23:58 GMT -6
Believe USI is headed for the OVC. Evansville now hosts the tournament and if Murray St gets an MCV invite, the OVC has to depend on USI to pack the stands. Nashville had Belmont, TN St, Austin Peay and others nearby but had bad crowds unless Murray St was participating. How will adding USI replace Murray State fans? Didn't MSU fans fill the arena? How many Evansvillians will flock to see the teams of the OVC? And you seriously think the Eagles will take an invite from the OVC over the HL? Joining the HL will give them exposure on ESPN and open up recruiting markets for them in Chicago, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Indianapolis, Dayton, Milwaukee and Detroit. Come on nodak! USI won’t get an invite from the HL because they are still D2. They could be the next NKU except they need a 5 years or more after spending time in the OVC. The OVC didn’t want NKU because they thought rightly that NKU would overwhelm that league. USI has a good program, but not that good. USI doesn’t match the facilities that NKU has. Evansville is much more supportive of good college basketball than Nashville, which looks down on the OVC in favor of the SEC, CUSA, and pro sports. The U of Evansville hasn’t done much for the last 20 years, so Evanvillians are hungry for winning or good basketball.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 11:43:16 GMT -6
USI represented quite well. They went to the DII Final Four. The Tourney being held in Evansville was a boon as USI fans helped break DII Tourney attendance records. Needless to say, it'll be back again in E-Ville
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Post by nodak on Apr 3, 2019 22:51:51 GMT -6
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Post by nodak on Apr 4, 2019 0:38:18 GMT -6
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