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Post by HLFanaticus on Dec 1, 2017 16:28:16 GMT -6
 5 Missouri Valley 10 Summit League 11 WAC 14 OVC 15 Mid-American 29 HORIZON LEAGUEIndividual HL Team RPI's 69 Milwaukee 118 NKU 146 Oakland 214 Detroit Mercy 247 Wright State 300 IUPUI 304 Cleveland State 321 UIC 334 Green Bay 348 Youngstown State |
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Post by uicjohn on Dec 2, 2017 16:33:53 GMT -6
UIC finds themselves in a familiar place - 300+ RPI. Sorry league but we aren’t going to change that this season.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 20:34:31 GMT -6
I give my apologies as well. We are a terrible team. The way we are playing is no longer a one game aberration (Kentucky). It's become a pattern. We are a badly coached team.
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Post by HLFanaticus on Dec 3, 2017 19:33:59 GMT -6
 HORIZON LEAGUE GOES 2-7 6 MVC 12 Summit League 13 WAC 18 MAC 19 OVC 29 HORIZON LEAGUEIndividual HL Team RPI's 83 Milwaukee 115 Oakland 126 NKU 175 Detroit Mercy 208 Wright State 294 UIC 319 Cleveland State 320 Green Bay 339 IUPUI 349 Youngstown State |
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Post by HLFanaticus on Dec 4, 2017 4:07:48 GMT -6
 6 Missouri Valley Conference 12 Summit League 13 Western Athletic Conference 18 Mid-American Conference 19 Ohio Valley Conference 29 HORIZON LEAGUEIndividual HL Team RPI's 83 Milwaukee 117 Oakland 129 NKU 166 Detroit Mercy 208 Wright State 295 UIC 319 Cleveland State 321 Green Bay 340 IUPUI 349 Youngstown State |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 7:07:40 GMT -6
Okay. Now we can stop saying, "It's still early". It's now 3 weeks left or about 4-5 non-con games before HL play begins. Horrible weekend as the League goes 2-8. The Horizon League is NOT what we thought it was! Who'd want to join now?
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Post by ougrizz05 on Dec 4, 2017 12:21:46 GMT -6
Okay. Now we can stop saying, "It's still early". It's now 3 weeks left or about 4-5 non-con games before HL play begins. Horrible weekend as the League goes 2-8. The Horizon League is NOT what we thought it was! Who'd want to join now? You'd be surprised. A geographically compact midmajor conference is very much appealing to ADs, Presidents, etc. |
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Post by oklahomamick on Dec 4, 2017 13:03:22 GMT -6
But there is no one in that compact geographical footprint that would add any value to the HL.
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Post by Blackbird on Dec 4, 2017 13:25:12 GMT -6
Okay. Now we can stop saying, "It's still early". It's now 3 weeks left or about 4-5 non-con games before HL play begins. Horrible weekend as the League goes 2-8. The Horizon League is NOT what we thought it was! Who'd want to join now? Anyone who wanted a good shot at a conference title? Seven teams with losing records against D1 opponents, a team that got blown out by a D2, a team that hasn't won a single game in the conference tournament since 2014 despite top-3 finishes every year since, and Northern Kentucky. If I'm any school in the nation, I like those odds. (That said, it IS way too early for RPI to be meaningful. RPI as a measurement is incredibly volatile until it gets enough data points around mid-January or so). |
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Post by commissioner on Dec 4, 2017 14:21:38 GMT -6
(That said, it IS way too early for RPI to be meaningful. RPI as a measurement is incredibly volatile until it gets enough data points around mid-January or so). For an individual team, perhaps, but for the conference, it's getting pretty well-baked into the cake. The reason is that the most heavily weighted part of RPI is opponent's W-L. In conference play, all conferences play .500 ball (a winner and loser in every game). So you need the non-conference wins to boost that opponent's W-L record. They can still go up or down if our non-conference opponents do really well in their conference schedules, but by the time non-conference play ends there's not usually a lot of movement. RPI Forecast expect the Horizon to rise from its current 29 to 26 by year end. Who knows, maybe we'll do better than that. But reaching the teens is very unlikely. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 15:25:17 GMT -6
For an individual team, perhaps, but for the conference, it's getting pretty well-baked into the cake. The reason is that the most heavily weighted part of RPI is opponent's W-L. In conference play, all conferences play .500 ball (a winner and loser in every game). So you need the non-conference wins to boost that opponent's W-L record. They can still go up or down if our non-conference opponents do really well in their conference schedules, but by the time non-conference play ends there's not usually a lot of movement. RPI Forecast expect the Horizon to rise from its current 29 to 26 by year end. Who knows, maybe we'll do better than that. But reaching the teens is very unlikely. Correct you are Commish. January, as Blackbird mentioned, is when Conference play begins. In our League's case, conference play begins on Dec 28, a few days before others. Big Ten has already started Conference play, but still have non-con games to play. We'll be done with non-con, so as was mentioned, it's no longer 'still early"! |
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Post by HLFanaticus on Dec 7, 2017 5:12:41 GMT -6
 HORIZON LEAGUE goes 1-5 (non-D1 games not counted) 7 Missouri Valley 12 MAC 15 Summit League 18 WAC 20 Ohio Valley 30 HORIZON LEAGUEIndividual HL Team RPI's 93 Milwaukee 130 Oakland 138 NKU 197 Detroit Mercy 226 Wright State 305 UIC 322 Green Bay 332 Cleveland State 345 IUPUI 347 Youngstown State As an FYI, the last two teams that left the Horizon League, Valpo and Loyola, sit atop the Missouri Valley, respectively with very good records: Valpo, 8-0; Loyola , 9-1) |
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Post by norsefan92 on Dec 7, 2017 7:46:58 GMT -6
Another disappointing night for Horizon League teams. I'm ready to get into league play so we can forget about this miserable non conference season. That was the first just outright bad game from NKU. Very disappointed, I do worry if we are going to only be a good home team. We have not played well on the road thus far.
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Post by gbphoenix1 on Dec 8, 2017 10:17:24 GMT -6
UIC, GB and IUPUI have no excuse for this poor performance. They are several years into their coaching systems and roster management. I'm willing to give CSU and YSU a pass since they were at rock bottom and are starting over. There should be continuity in this off season with no teams starting over from ground zero. If the metrics don't get better in each of the next two years for most members the HL is toast.
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Post by HLFanaticus on Dec 13, 2017 14:34:47 GMT -6
 8 Missouri Valley 10 Mid-American Conference 16 Western Athletic Conference 17 Summit League 20 Ohio Valley Conference 29 HORIZON LEAGUEIndividual HL Team RPI's 92 Milwaukee 140 NKU 156 Oakland 212 Wright State 259 Detroit Mercy 317 Green Bay 323 IUPUI 326 UIC 329 Cleveland State 337 Youngstown State |
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