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Post by HLFanaticus on Oct 28, 2017 10:36:48 GMT -6
The NCAA will be de-emphasizing the RPI. Don't know when it will go into effect. Probably because of the Kenpom crapanalysis! At any rate, RPI is still one of the metrics used. This season, after each night's schedule of D1 games, I will track the RPI of the HL and its "like" competitors...The MVC and The Summit. I'll also include the OVC because for some reason some of their posters (especially those from Murray State) think they are a better League than or as good as the HL "at the top". I will be using Live-RPI.com |
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Post by ougrizz05 on Oct 28, 2017 11:09:57 GMT -6
The NCAA will be de-emphasizing the RPI. Don't know when it will go into effect. Probably because of the Kenpom crapanalysis! At any rate, RPI is still one of the metrics used. This season, after each night's schedule of D1 games, I will track the RPI of the HL and its "like" competitors...The MVC and The Summit. I'll also include the OVC because for some reason some of their posters (especially those from Murray State) think they are a better League than or as good as the HL "at the top". I will be using Live-RPI.comSo how does deempathizing the RPI look? Have they talked about that yet? |
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Post by commissioner on Oct 28, 2017 12:42:55 GMT -6
The NCAA will be de-emphasizing the RPI. Don't know when it will go into effect. Probably because of the Kenpom crapanalysis! At any rate, RPI is still one of the metrics used. This season, after each night's schedule of D1 games, I will track the RPI of the HL and its "like" competitors...The MVC and The Summit. I'll also include the OVC because for some reason some of their posters (especially those from Murray State) think they are a better League than or as good as the HL "at the top". I will be using Live-RPI.comNot that it's for me to create work for you, but what about a comparison to the MAC? The MAC is usually the league against whom the Horizon plays the most non-conference games--typically 20 or so per year. Like the MAC, the Horizon (with the exception of Detroit) now consists of relatively large, non-flagship state universities. The geographic overlap is very tight (MAC is Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, and the outlier at Buffalo; the Horizon is Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, and Wisconsin). The two conferences often are in recruiting battles. |
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Post by HLFanaticus on Oct 28, 2017 23:46:43 GMT -6
The NCAA will be de-emphasizing the RPI. Don't know when it will go into effect. Probably because of the Kenpom crapanalysis! At any rate, RPI is still one of the metrics used. This season, after each night's schedule of D1 games, I will track the RPI of the HL and its "like" competitors...The MVC and The Summit. I'll also include the OVC because for some reason some of their posters (especially those from Murray State) think they are a better League than or as good as the HL "at the top". I will be using Live-RPI.comNot that it's for me to create work for you, but what about a comparison to the MAC? The MAC is usually the league against whom the Horizon plays the most non-conference games--typically 20 or so per year. Like the MAC, the Horizon (with the exception of Detroit) now consists of relatively large, non-flagship state universities. The geographic overlap is very tight (MAC is Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, and the outlier at Buffalo; the Horizon is Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, and Wisconsin). The two conferences often are in recruiting battles. You are right about the "HL/MAC Challenge". I thought of including them initially, but since they played FBS Football, I felt that differentiated them from us. Since we're focusing on basketball and do play a multiplicity of games with the MAC, I don't see the problem including them. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 16:28:55 GMT -6
I just want the HL to be ranked higher than: The Summit, MAC, OVC and even The Valley. I still believe the MVC will be overrated as a conference.
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Post by HLFanaticus on Nov 13, 2017 8:44:50 GMT -6
As of 11/13 (opening weekend)
13 Missouri Valley OOC SOS- 21
20 MAC OOC SOS- 30
25 HORIZON LEAGUE OOC SOS- 20
26 Ohio Valley OOC SOS- 13
29 Summit League OOC SOS- 18
Individual HL Team RPI
Detroit Mercy- 19
UIC- 113
NKU- 140
Oakland- 143
Cleveland State- 214
Green Bay- 241
IUPUI- 251
Milwaukee- 271
Wright State- 350
Youngstown State- 351
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Post by norsefan92 on Nov 13, 2017 9:08:17 GMT -6
I think a better metric to look at is Ken Pomeroy's rankings. I've had a membership there for years and he provides excellent data. His rankings reflect the advantages of getting wins on the road and other factors that make it a better metric for measuring success. After opening weekend the Horizon league looks as follows.
1. Oakland (84)
2. NKU (114)
3. UIC (157)
4. Wright St. (191)
5. Milwaukee (208)
6. IUPUI (230)
7. Green Bay (248)
8. Cleveland St. (268)
9. Youngstown St. (278)
10. Detroit (280)
The Horizon League itself ranks 18th just ahead of the Patriot League and C-USA and just behind the Summit League and Southern Conference.
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Post by HLFanaticus on Nov 13, 2017 10:47:23 GMT -6
I think a better metric to look at is Ken Pomeroy's rankings. I've had a membership there for years and he provides excellent data. His rankings reflect the advantages of getting wins on the road and other factors that make it a better metric for measuring success. After opening weekend the Horizon league looks as follows. 1. Oakland (84) 2. NKU (114) 3. UIC (157) 4. Wright St. (191) 5. Milwaukee (208) 6. IUPUI (230) 7. Green Bay (248) 8. Cleveland St. (268) 9. Youngstown St. (278) 10. Detroit (280) The Horizon League itself ranks 18th just ahead of the Patriot League and C-USA and just behind the Summit League and Southern Conference. I appreciate that, but I'm not as young as most of you guys (Commissioner included) that do all of the numbers and stats. Until they totally do away with the RPI, I'll just work with that. Ken has too many numbers, metrics and other things that I have absolutely no clue as to what they mean. Now if you would like to put up a KenPom, HL Summary here or on Norse Fans, that would be cool. By the way, which metric do the numbers in the parentheses represent? ****Note to norsefan92: when I responded previously, I accidentally hit "edit" instead of "quote" and posted. That's why you see the "last edited by...". I removed my post and left your post unchanged. Sorry about the intrusion. |
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Post by commissioner on Nov 13, 2017 11:34:00 GMT -6
Of course, none of these mean much of anything until the season is further along--although conference rankings are heavily baked in by mid-December. In November RPI is fun because you can say things like, "Hey, my Titans are ranked 19th!!"
Although the NCAA says it wants to de-emphasize RPI, that is its historic primary measure of strength of schedule. It has a ton of flaws in theory, and I agree with critiques of it. Yet by the end of the year it actually is pretty accurate in practice--if you use it to predict the NCAA tournament, I'll bet you'd do as well as you would using KenPom, Sagarin, or any of the other computer rankings out there.
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Post by norsefan92 on Nov 13, 2017 20:46:04 GMT -6
The numbers represent their national ranking on Ken Poms website. He ranks all the teams based on his metrics so Oakland is currently ranked 84th in the country.
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Post by HLFanaticus on Nov 14, 2017 13:45:17 GMT -6
11/14
12 Ohio Valley OOC SOS 5
13 MAC OOC SOS 20
14 MVC OOC SOS 25
19 Summit OOC SOS 16
30 HL OOC SOS 27
Individual Team RPI
13 NKU
55 Detroit Mercy
135 Oakland
161 Milwaukee
255 UIC
279 Cleveland State
294 Green Bay
299 IUPUI
350 Wright State
351 Youngstown State
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Post by ysuindy on Nov 17, 2017 15:22:09 GMT -6
Somewhat related to future RPIs and putting here as opposed to a separate thread:
YSU Coach Jerrod Calhoun announced a three year deal with West Virginia beginning next season. Games 1 and 3 will be in Morgantown. Game 2 will be at the Covelli Center in downtown Youngstown. Calhoun is part of the Huggins coaching tree.
Not a fan of taking games off campus to a hockey arena, but if that's what it takes to get the first "power conference" team to come to Youngstown in 25 plus years (Northwestern December 1993) I'm obviously fine with it. It would be WVU's second trip to Youngstown. In January 1982 WVU won 62-60 at YSU in a homecoming game for Youngstown native Greg Jones.
Calhoun also mentioned worked to get some more home and homes going with MAC teams.
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Post by HLFanaticus on Nov 20, 2017 1:36:27 GMT -6
 11/20: 9 Mid-American 13 Missouri Valley 14 Ohio Valley 19 Summit League 30 HORIZON LEAGUEIndividual HL Team RPI: 24 Oakland 113 Milwaukee 134 Northern Kentucky 156 Cleveland St. 291 Detroit Mercy 303 UIC 307 Youngstown State 311 Wright State 326 IUPUI 350 Green Bay Overall Standings Milwaukee 4-1 0.800 W2 NKU 4-1 0.800 L1 Oakland 2-1 0.667 L1 Green Bay 1-1 0.500 W1 Detroit Mercy 2-2 0.500 W1 UIC 2-2 0.500 L1 Cleveland State 1-2 0.333 W1 IUPUI 1-2 0.333 L1 YSU 0-1 0.000 L1 Wright State 0-3 0.000 L3 |
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Post by commissioner on Nov 20, 2017 7:49:34 GMT -6
This is a brutal year to start this thread. I remember when the rallying cry was "The Horizon will be a top 10 conference." Now it's "top 25 conference." All across the league our teams are losing games they should win, and often looking very bad while doing it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 8:28:26 GMT -6
Agreed. Things could still turn around, but from the early sampling of games, it appears the HL will once again be a 1-bid League. UIC should be 4-0, but choked away an 11-point lead against St. Joe's and just didn't show up against Fort Wayne. They don't know how to win yet. Brutal! Only a month left before the RPI's are pretty much set. About 9 games left for our teams to make a move.
While Oakland and UIC may have the more athletic teams, NKU is the best coached team.
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