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Post by commissioner on Jun 16, 2017 21:13:53 GMT -6
I'm increasingly convinced that the best course would be IUPUI, then really pitching to get NM State and Grand Canyon. IUPUI just makes too much sense for the league, and as I've indicated earlier, they strike me as little different from Milwaukee. And I've argued from the start that the NM State/GC (or possibly Denver) play is the only potential expansion move that would immediately improve the conference. That squeezes out Bob Morris, which is unfortunate, but I don't want 13 teams. The cautious play is Robt Morris and the two Indiana schools. There is no way in hell we are adding 3 teams and only one of them have baseball. Why not? That would give us 7 baseball schools. We lived with 7 baseball schools as recently as ... 2017.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 23:23:09 GMT -6
Yeah it would give us 7 teams, but depending on the teams, 7 could just be a few years until we're back to 6 and teeter-tottering on 5 teams before the League has to petition the NCAA. The HL should be committed to increasing the number of stable baseball programs. Right now GCU and NMSU would be short term remedies. This would be another reason LeCrone wants to push to League to 14 or even 16. Having 10 to 12 baseball teams gives the HL a cushion in the event GCU and NMSU eventually find other conferences (provided they come in the first place).
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Post by rbj on Jun 17, 2017 10:49:01 GMT -6
I'm increasingly convinced that the best course would be IUPUI, then really pitching to get NM State and Grand Canyon. IUPUI just makes too much sense for the league, and as I've indicated earlier, they strike me as little different from Milwaukee. And I've argued from the start that the NM State/GC (or possibly Denver) play is the only potential expansion move that would immediately improve the conference. That squeezes out Bob Morris, which is unfortunate, but I don't want 13 teams. The cautious play is Robt Morris and the two Indiana schools. There is no way in hell we are adding 3 teams and only one of them have baseball.
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Post by rbj on Jun 17, 2017 10:51:14 GMT -6
I'm tired of hearing about baseball, baseball is not a money maker for the Horizon League. Lecrone has already stated that basketball is the driving force behind expansion.
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Post by commissioner on Jun 17, 2017 16:34:29 GMT -6
Yeah it would give us 7 teams, but depending on the teams, 7 could just be a few years until we're back to 6 and teeter-tottering on 5 teams before the League has to petition the NCAA. The HL should be committed to increasing the number of stable baseball programs. Right now GCU and NMSU would be short term remedies. This would be another reason LeCrone wants to push to League to 14 or even 16. Having 10 to 12 baseball teams gives the HL a cushion in the event GCU and NMSU eventually find other conferences (provided they come in the first place). Yeah, but if New Mexico State and GCU join, we'd have a minimum of 8 baseball teams--they both have baseball. So if both then left, we'd still have six--and of course we'd look to add new teams. The 1 of 3 WDSU mentions comes if Bob Morris and IUPUI are added along with Fort Wayne. But there are other powerful reasons to add RMU and IUPUI--the Big D's calculation notwithstanding, only 1 baseball school has to agree. And if we add three schools and don't go outside the current footprint, who else will it be? Omaha? If we're adding Omaha, we may as well add the GCU/NMSU combo, if they'll come. That is, if we can't get or won't ask NMSU and GCU, where do we get baseball schools? Why say "if we add three, at least two must have baseball?" If we're adding RMU, as rumored, we're still at 6 for baseball. So if we want more than six, we add Fort Wayne--and then what does it matter if we add IUPUI? I just don't get the thinking that if we add 3 schools, at least 2 must have baseball. In other words: unless we're willing to broaden our footprint by a considerable amount, the only legit current candidate with baseball is Ft. Wayne. If getting above 6 in baseball is so crucial, why would we be looking first at RMU, which doesn't have baseball. I'm not doubting DWSU's info. I'm suggesting that it makes no sense and if the league does want to go beyond 10 (as rumored) and is unwilling to make a big leap west (as rumored) then two of the three additions won't have baseball, and the AD's/Presidents will come to realize that. I'd prefer, though, the MNSU/GCU gambit.
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Post by ysuindy on Jun 20, 2017 14:18:49 GMT -6
Does Jax State play D1 football of some level? I suppose any school is possible but maybe the football schools are less likely. Ray Harper is solid. Jacksonville State plays FCS football. National runner-up in 2015. Entered 2016 playoffs as the third seed - YSU went down and beat them 40-24. Football is a big deal for Jacksonville State - and I don't think they are eager to move their football out of the OVC, a league that has been one of the weaker FCS leagues over the last decade or so.
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Post by PantherU.com on Jun 21, 2017 11:37:28 GMT -6
I still like RMU, NMSU and GCU.
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Post by csudave on Jun 21, 2017 14:15:15 GMT -6
I still like RMU, NMSU and GCU. Sent from my SM-G930R4 using proboards If(when) it's announced as Fort Wayne, do you promise to throw as big a Twitter temper tantrum as you did when MKE announced its new MBB coach?
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Post by jboss8393 on Jun 22, 2017 12:48:37 GMT -6
It's not Fort Wayne at least this year. I have it on really good sources its Murray State. IPFW presented with Murray State but was told last night that only MSU would be extended an invite. My source said IPFW will join in 2018-19 likely with IUPUI.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 23:15:43 GMT -6
It's not Fort Wayne at least this year. I have it on really good sources its Murray State. IPFW presented with Murray State but was told last night that only MSU would be extended an invite. My source said IPFW will join in 2018-19 likely with IUPUI. Seems like your "really good sources" were "really not that good"! The rumor now is that the HL's invite went to IUPUI!! Of all the schools! IUPUI?! What the hell is up with the Board of Directors? This also smacks of desperation on the HL's Part. Years ago the conference would've never even entertained the thought of inviting IUPUI, let alone Fort Wayne. No way they're doing so. Is it just to have a school in the same city as the HL HQ? To keep the conference bus friendly? To keep the footprint tight and non-cumbersome?
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Post by PantherU.com on Jun 23, 2017 18:21:08 GMT -6
I still like RMU, NMSU and GCU. Sent from my SM-G930R4 using proboards If(when) it's announced as Fort Wayne, do you promise to throw as big a Twitter temper tantrum as you did when MKE announced its new MBB coach? I would have accepted IPFW. At least they consistently win. Apparently the answer to the question "What team does the HL backfill with?" is "a fucking shotgun blast to the back of the head."
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Post by gbphoenix1 on Dec 6, 2017 14:58:32 GMT -6
Currently any of Robert Morris, Fort Wayne, Lipscomb, NMSU, CGU, UMKC, NJIT and Murray State are having better statistical seasons than at least the bottom 5 HL teams. In the short term it makes the IUPUI add look even worse.
If the league does go to 12 as long as they stay away from SIUE and maybe Omaha they can't make the league any worse (if that's possible).
I know they aren't on the radar but Lipscomb is having a good season. They beat Belmont twice this year. Maybe they should be on the radar.
Fort Wayne has done well against HL teams this year.
Robert Morris seems to be back on track and trending up.
Being realistic if the HL could grab any two of these and be done with expansion I think most fans could live with it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 15:10:09 GMT -6
Currently any of Robert Morris, Fort Wayne, Lipscomb, NMSU, CGU, UMKC, NJIT and Murray State are having better statistical seasons than at least the bottom 5 HL teams. In the short term it makes the IUPUI add look even worse. If the league does go to 12 as long as they stay away from SIUE and maybe Omaha they can't make the league any worse (if that's possible). I know they aren't on the radar but Lipscomb is having a good season. They beat Belmont twice this year. Maybe they should be on the radar. Fort Wayne has done well against HL teams this year. Robert Morris seems to be back on track and trending up. Being realistic if the HL could grab any two of these and be done with expansion I think most fans could live with it. This begs the question I have asked before, "At this point which of these teams, if any, would want to join the Horizon League?" This season is not just a blip on the radar...it's a continued trend. The League has floundered for the last 3 years. All of those conferences except maybe the A-Sun (Lipscomb's League) are rated higher than the HL. The HL isn't as attractive competitively anymore. Any move by another team to this conference would be for geography and cost.
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Post by csudave on Dec 7, 2017 12:49:59 GMT -6
At least for Fort Wayne, the appeal is the same as IUPUI. They go from the geographic frontier of the Summit League with multiple annual trips to Nebraska Oklahoma and the Dakotas to the middle of the HL where your longest road trips are Green Bay and YSU.
Finding a second team to go to 12 is where things get ugly. Lipscomb is likely holding out to replace Murray St if they leave the OVC for the MVC. Maybe RMU would still be interested. If not, your next calls are to the likes of Western Illinois and Morehead State...hardly an inspired roster of fallbacks.
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Post by gbphoenix1 on Dec 7, 2017 21:24:31 GMT -6
At least for Fort Wayne, the appeal is the same as IUPUI. They go from the geographic frontier of the Summit League with multiple annual trips to Nebraska Oklahoma and the Dakotas to the middle of the HL where your longest road trips are Green Bay and YSU. Finding a second team to go to 12 is where things get ugly. Lipscomb is likely holding out to replace Murray St if they leave the OVC for the MVC. Maybe RMU would still be interested. If not, your next calls are to the likes of Western Illinois and Morehead State...hardly an inspired roster of fallbacks. I agree, Fort Wayne would move in a minute. It would be good for finances, building regional rivalries and recruiting. There just doesn't seem to be a 12th that would also be mutually interested and help improve the league.
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