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Post by HLFanaticus on Jun 7, 2020 10:54:53 GMT -6
Coach Ryan reportedly had two offers from Green Bay: 4 years at $200,000 or 6 years at $175,000.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 11:28:30 GMT -6
Damn! $200,000 or $175,000! This whole situation smacks of stupidity (on Green Bay's part) and desperation (on Will Ryan's part). Obviously it was stupid on Green Bay's part to fire a winning coach and still have to pay him $750,000. Going in that meant they were going to be low balling the new coach. Could be a reason Gary Grzesk decided to withdraw...knowing they wouldn't be able to pay him. For Ryan, it was a chance to be a Head Coach of a DI program, realizing that if he does well, he's off to another DI program with a bigger payday.
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Post by gbphoenix1 on Jun 7, 2020 13:31:45 GMT -6
At 175k, 200k or 240k it is pretty much the same candidate pool and a good opportunity for anyone willing to do the work.
GB doesn't spend on head coaches but the program is well financed in every other area. It's part of why they have always remained competitive. The tools are there for anyone willing to do it.
Paying 300k doesn't attract that much bigger of a pool and doesn't protect against poaching. It honestly limits the spending on the other things.
Gary G doesn't make that kind of money now. Yes he probably wants a market rate but that wasn't the deciding factor.
Will is a good hire and someone who is going to bring a different dynamic to the program. I think he builds off of the good work done by Darner and Company.
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Post by ougrizz05 on Jun 7, 2020 20:25:21 GMT -6
Saul Phillips had some very good things to say about him. I think it's a gamble in some ways, but it seems like a good hire. He has good experience and has a legendary name in WI. Time will tell.
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Post by vugrad1314 on Jun 7, 2020 21:38:41 GMT -6
Don't see the point in firing Darner to make this move. Hope it works out for Green Bay but I don't get it.
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Post by freewind on Jun 8, 2020 12:05:30 GMT -6
Similar to Wright State firing Billy Donlon after having plenty of winning seasons and he had just wrapped up his best season to date arguably. I think it is the right move for top-tier programs to hold the standard an NCAA appearance once in like a 4 year range. It seems like the average coach salary in the Horizon is 200-325k. If you are making over that, you have to believe that standard is there. If you can get to the NCAA by paying a base salary around 200k, then your program has a steal of a coach.
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Post by vugrad1314 on Jun 8, 2020 20:30:20 GMT -6
Wright State fired Donlon for a proven coach with a longstanding track record at SD State in Scott Nagy. That is not an apples to apples comparison to what Green Bay is doing. Also I think Wright State has greater ambitions to be quite honest and that's why they're paying Nagy so much. I think they're trying to make themselves look attractive for another conference, potentially the MVC. If they can get their financial house in order they could be a candidate for a move someday. Running your organization smartly and allocating resources efficiently is paramount at the mid major level but make no mistake: top tier programs do not become top tier programs or nor do they remain top tier programs by pinching pennies and hoping to catch lightning in a bottle by hiring the cheapest coach possible. That philosophy has to work every single time or it kills the program and anytime it does work that coach is gone as quickly as he came in. I'm sorry to say that this move and hiring raises more questions in my mind about Green Bay's commitment to excellence than it answers.
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Post by gbphoenix1 on Jun 8, 2020 21:03:23 GMT -6
Green Bay basketball has all of the tools to still compete in D1 and the horizon league. Anyone who thinks otherwise is only looking at one small piece of the pie.
Will Ryan might make 200k. When they hired Linc Darner they hired him for 230k and that was coming off of a D2 national championship.
They aren't trying to catch lighting in a bottle. They are hiring from a pool of guys that are capable and willing to take the opportunity to invest in themselves. Some guys want more financial guarantees because some of those guys are afraid of failing and want more money just in case. The guys GB hires are not afraid to fail and know that GB gives them the things they need to be competitive in D1.
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Post by vugrad1314 on Jun 10, 2020 2:09:14 GMT -6
All I can say is best of luck to Green Bay. For the sake of their program's health I hope it works out but I remain skeptical until I see the results on the court. If it's any consolation to you, I was skeptical of the Bryce Drew hiring at Valpo when it was announced and that turned out okay to say the least. Maybe this son of a legend can follow a similar career trajectory. For Green Bay's sake, he needs to. The problem is that because of the amount of money they paid to get rid of Darner (I think I saw somebody post that it's like $750K in buyout money) Ryan has to not only do better than Darner but significantly outperform him or it amounts to an expensive mistake that will be hard to recover from. If he delivers the same or (shudder) worse results, what then? Is Green Bay going to can him too and pay him for multiple years to not coach and further clog up their balance sheet or are they going to ride out a situation that isn't working and do further damage to their program which will make it harder to climb out of the spiral? I know you're going to look at this post and tell me that I'm making the mistake of assuming he will fail without facts or data and maybe I am but this whole situation really seems to me like Green Bay took an unnecessary risk for a potentially high reward that is dubious to ever be realized. I appreciate and respect their willingness to take a risk, most administrations wouldn't and therefore maybe my comment about questioning their commitment to excellence was a bit harsh, but it just didn't seem like the right move to make at this time in these financial realities and when it seemed as though his program was on its way up, especially when the man replacing him is entirely unproven. To quote Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story, "It's a bold strategy, Cotton, we'll see if it pays off." I reiterate, I hope it does.
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Post by HLFanaticus on Jun 15, 2020 19:36:06 GMT -6
Some details of Coach Ryan's contract per hoopdirt.com through Green Bay Press Gazette. Link per hoopdirt.com: Coach Will Ryan's contract detailsSix-year deal with a base salary of $175,000 $5,000 for an NIT appearance $5,000 for a Horizon League regular-season championship $7,500 for being named league or national coach of the year $10,000 for an NIT Final Four appearance $15,000 for a Horizon League tournament title $10,000 for making the NCAA tournament. $10,000 each for advancing to the second and third rounds of the NCAA Tournament $50,000 for advancing to the Sweet 16 $100,000 for the Elite Eight $250,000 for the Final Four $15,000 any time gross ticket sales increase from 5% to 10% from the previous season $30,000 for anything larger than a 10% increase $5,000 each year the team has a cumulative grade-point average of 2.75 or higher and an additional $5,000 for an academic progress rate above 970. Ryan must secure annual game guarantees of $300,000 per season (of which he is entitled to a portion of guarantees if he exceeds the $300,000) If Ryan raises more than $100,000 in program donations in the first year of his deal, he is entitled to a bonus of 20% above the $100,000 UWGB and Ryan will establish annual expectations of fundraising for the program in following seasons, in which he also will be eligible for a 20% bonus
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Post by gbphoenix1 on Jun 16, 2020 13:55:50 GMT -6
It is likely that he will make the following numbers in addition to his base pay:
$5000 for APR $30,000 for the more than 10% increase in attendance They are playing 5 buy games this year so he will make some portion of an extra $150,000+, probably another $30,000.
I believe he will get some portion of the fund raising goal, call it $20,000
That would put him at $260,000 which is more than GB has paid in the past. I know it isn't the same as paying a straight salary but they are providing him incentives to do well in all areas of the program. If he can coach at this level they will sell more tickets and raise more money and he will directly benefit. It is an interesting way to go about making his income more competitive without taking that much risk. If anything it might serve as a model for other mid major programs.
Also, I think the structure of his deal speaks to some of the reasons why GB parted ways with Coach Darner. Darner is a good hoops guy but didn't necessarily see himself as a leader for marketing the program in the community.
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