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Post by HLFanaticus on Feb 12, 2015 5:18:29 GMT -6
At this point in the season, who is your choice for Horizon League Player of the Year?
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Post by arbus on Feb 12, 2015 8:34:53 GMT -6
Felder is putting up stats that put him in the discussion but Oakland is likely to finish with 10 or 11 wins, which I believe will take him out of the running.
I think the two guys going for it right now are Grady and Sykes. My gut feeling says the League has already chosen Sykes no matter what happens.
I voted for Grady because I think he deserves it. His points, rebounds, FG%, blocks, and steals are all off the charts during HL play. If he could hit a few more free throws, only shooting 58% his PPG would be right there with Sykes and Felder during league play.
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Post by grizz on Feb 17, 2015 11:18:41 GMT -6
After the game Felder had against Detroit, I believe of the top 4 teams he means more to his team then any other player. Sykes has not had a great year and yet Green Bay will probably host so I'm guessing he will win POY. But I'm predigest I'm sure
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Post by commissioner on Feb 17, 2015 21:32:08 GMT -6
After the game Felder had against Detroit, I believe of the top 4 teams he means more to his team then any other player. Absolutely. But that's not only due to Felder's considerable ability, but because Oakland has no good alternative on the bench. Still, I think Felder has an excellent chance to win it. Sykes has been in a bit of a slump and played the last couple games -- and probably the next couple-- hurt, which is pullling down his stats. Peters has a claim but seems to stand out less. I think Felder or Sykes can clinch it in these last 4 games. As for All-Conference, that also could swing with the last few games, but if it were voted today it would be Sykes, Felder, Lewis, Peters, and Howard. Remember, Howard is currently the league's leading scorer. Since 1995, when the league took more or less its current form, only twice has the top scorer in the league been left off the first team - Valpo's Brandon Wood in 2010 and Detroit's Jon Goode in 2008. That 2010 first team was probably the best in that history, with Gordon Hayward, Matt Howard, Shelvin Mack, Norris Cole, and Rahman Fletcher. Neither Wood nor Goode was a star before their big season, unlike Howard. Second team is tougher but would be, I think, Petros, McWhorter, Hain, Grady, and Tiby. I'd like to see Fouse honored but I don't think he'll squeeze on. Charlie Lee could also make it and conceivably (though not likely) Bass, thanks to the hype. All Freshman: Bass, Hayes, Tevonn Walker, Benzinger, and ... well, that last one is real tough but why not Nick Daniels? Detroit's Jaleel Hogan could force his way into the debate with a couple big games, and probably a couple others I'm forgetting. FOY would be Bass if vote were today, and it's not really that close, though Hayes could pass him with a big finish and a bit of a flop by Bass. All Defense: Fouse, Dante Williams, Fernandez, Mays, and Sykes, possibly Felder. DPOY - Kampe will push for Williams but the choice will be Fouse, and deservedly so. 6th Man: Really up for grabs, but I'll say Chrishawn Hopkins. They may not even award it this year - I don't think they did before last year. Coach of Year: Team that wins regular season title.
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Post by grizz on Feb 19, 2015 7:52:15 GMT -6
My guess; All league- Frist team 1 Sykes 2 Felder 3 Peters 4 Grady 5 Lewis
Second Team Foust Howard Valpo Center Petros Tiby
POY Sykes (unless Oakland wins league then Felder) FOY Bass (unless Oakland wins league Then Hayes) COY Drew (unless Oakland finishes 1st or 2nd Then Kampe
All Freshman team: Bass Hayes Walker Benzinger Burns DPY Williams all D team Williams - Center from Valpo - Foust - Grady - No idea who is 5th 6th man Not a good pick here. Someone from Detroit because they play so many guys or maybe someone from Valpo.
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Post by grizz on Feb 19, 2015 7:53:20 GMT -6
Oh, before some one rips me I do know how to spell first.
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Post by grizz on Feb 19, 2015 7:54:58 GMT -6
I'll make my 5th guy on all Defensive team be Charlie Lee
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Post by commissioner on Feb 19, 2015 9:14:01 GMT -6
My guess; All league- Frist team 1 Sykes 2 Felder 3 Peters 4 Grady 5 Lewis Second Team Foust Howard Valpo Center Petros Tiby POY Sykes (unless Oakland wins league then Felder) FOY Bass (unless Oakland wins league Then Hayes) COY Drew (unless Oakland finishes 1st or 2nd Then Kampe All Freshman team: Bass Hayes Walker Benzinger Burns DPY Williams all D team Williams - Center from Valpo - Foust - Grady - No idea who is 5th 6th man Not a good pick here. Someone from Detroit because they play so many guys or maybe someone from Valpo. Burns is actually a junior, a Juco transfer. The Horizon used to have an "all-newcomer" team but last year (or maybe a couple years ago) switched it to "all-freshman," so Burns won't be on it. I'm giving you Nick Daniels, man, take it. I'd be very surprised if Vashil Fernandez (the Valpo Center) gets all league honors. I agree he'll be on the all-defensive team, but I wouldn't think he'd even get a whiff of all-league selection. Marcus Keene, Bass, Charlie Lee, Steve McWhorter, Greg Mays, Hain, even Joe Thomasson or Carrington Love plus, of course, the other guys you pick, would all, I think, finish well ahead of him. Maybe even Hayes or Dante. Fernandez has been helpful to Valpo this year, but his only real claim to all-conference is leading the league in blocks. He plays less than 25 minutes a game, averages 7 points, is only 7th in rebounding, doesn't even have enough shots to qualify for league lead in FG%- don't see it happening. I like your choice of Charlie Lee as possibility for all-defensive team. Hayes will not win FOY over Bass unless he scores about 100 points in Oakland's last 3 games. Unlike POY and COY, I've never seen any evidence that where the team finishes matters for FOY. Last year it went to Peters of 4th place Valpo. In 2013 it went to Bryn Forbes of 7th place CSU. In 2012 Newcomer of the Year went to Julius Mays of 8th place Wright State. In 2011, it was Ray McCallum of 5th place Detroit. In 2010, Brandon Wood of 4th place Valpo. I don't remember all the contenders in those years, but the team performance doesn't seem to move voters the way it does for POY or COY. I'm getting more sold not only that your guy Felder should win POY, but that he will win it, although Sykes helped himself last night against Detroit.
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Post by grizz on Feb 19, 2015 10:47:48 GMT -6
Sorry, I thought Burns was a freshman. I think Valpo is going to win the League that's why I picked their center because I figured they would get 2 players. You are probably right. You might be right on Bass though you are wrong on, Peters was not FOY last year, Felder was. If Hayes wins Freshman of the week and Oaklnad wins out, he will have 6 FOW awards to 4 for Bass. That could sway voters. I think that anyone who saw the Oakland-Detroit game will vote for Bass. If you saw the Oakland at Valpo game you would vote for Hayes. Walker may get some votes as well as Benzinger
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 17:29:33 GMT -6
My guess; All league- Frist team 1 Sykes 2 Felder 3 Peters 4 Grady 5 Lewis How can you not have Petros on the first team? No center or big is playing better than he is...maybe just as good, but not better. He's leading the league in rebounds (8.1), 8th in scoring (14.3) and first in field goal percentage (.611). He's very underrated, but along with Felder has kept Oakland in the hunt for an HL Title.
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Post by grizz on Feb 19, 2015 18:56:14 GMT -6
Didn't want to look like a homer, I hope he makes it.
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Post by commissioner on Feb 20, 2015 12:13:49 GMT -6
My guess; All league- Frist team 1 Sykes 2 Felder 3 Peters 4 Grady 5 Lewis How can you not have Petros on the first team? No center or big is playing better than he is...maybe just as good, but not better. He's leading the league in rebounds (8.1), 8th in scoring (14.3) and first in field goal percentage (.611). He's very underrated, but along with Felder has kept Oakland in the hunt for an HL Title. Easy. Because while he's very good, he's not as good as 5 other guys. You make a good case. But first, remember they just pick the 5 best, not by position. So you've got Felder, Sykes, Peters as near definite, I think, although I suppose Peters could end up on the 2nd team. And probably Howard (maybe not if he doesn't end up leading the league in scoring). I know that Detroit has sucked and that there is some sense that maybe Howard hasn't played that well, but ... well, really? He leads the conference in scoring, leads the conference in 20 point games, he's the only F/C among the league leaders in assists, he's among the league leaders in free throw and three-point shooting, he's hit the big shots in tight games for those rare Titan wins. I think those 4 are all clearly ahead Petros. (Where would OU be without Petros? Where would UD be without Howard may be the better question). #5? You can make a case for Petros but I don't think it's better than the case for several others. I think Lewis is #5. Could be Petros. Could be Grady (whose season numbers aren't as good but whose conference play numbers are better). Could even be Hain or Tiby or McWhorter (Tiby is another guy whose numbers in conference play are really good). I think you can make a good case for Fouse, though I don't the voters will consider it. It could even be that Howard and Lewis don't make it but Petros still doesn't, though that seems unlikely. I won't be shocked if Petros makes the first team, but I personally would put him on the second team, and I won't be surprised if he doesn't make first team. He will get a boost if Oakland wins the league, but that seems unlikely. Basically, I think two of Howard, Petros, Lewis, and Grady make first team, along with Felder, Peters, and Sykes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 16:40:36 GMT -6
Good case made for your choices, but I'm still sticking with Petros. I don't know, the guy just does things that he doesn't look like he should be able to do. He has nice footwork and can shoot that little jumphook with BOTH hands! For not being among the top ten in blocked shots, his footwork and positioning further magnifies his position at the top of the rebounding heap.
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Post by hc on Feb 20, 2015 22:08:28 GMT -6
I will say Trey Lewis if CSU wins the league. Peters if Valpo wins.
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Post by commissioner on Feb 24, 2015 15:22:56 GMT -6
Player/Stat | Bass | Hayes | MPG | 25.4 | 23.0 | PPG | 12.8 | 8.1 | RPG | 5.9 | 4.6 | APG | 1.9 | 1.2 | FG% | .460 | .494 | 3PFG% | .362 | .375 (8 attempts) | FT% | .655 | .704 | SPG | 1.1 | 1.1 | BPG | 1.0 | 0.3 |
I posted this because some of the Oakland fans are arguing that Hayes should be FOY, or is at least neck and neck with Bass. In fact, it's pretty tough to make a case for Hayes over Bass as Freshman of the Year. Bass plays about 11% more minutes on average (which in itself is a plus), but in that time he averages 58% more points, 28% more rebounds, 58% more assists, and adds a three point dimension lacking from Hayes's game. I think it is also fair to say that Bass's impact on observers has been much more powerful. Hayes is a nice player and obviously will be on the All-Freshman team. BTW, I did a similar, large table for all the contenders for all conference honors, at udtitanbasketball.freeforums.net/post/3695/thread
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