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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2013 23:24:23 GMT -6
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Post by freewind on Sept 9, 2020 14:53:28 GMT -6
NO NO NO NO www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPu5l0N9lkc&t=13m0sVideo from Chicago Board of Trustees about changing conferences. Around 16:00 talks about wanting in Horizon or Ohio Valley. They will have answers by October for joining next year.
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Post by gbphoenix1 on Sept 10, 2020 8:16:43 GMT -6
There is only one circumstance I can allow Chicago State to join the Horizon League. That would be in the case of GB being moving on to a better league in which case I wouldn't care what happens to the Horizon Thankfully I get the impression that CSU seems to think an OVC invite was more likely. Their AD had a lot more detail about how they would fit in the OVC and the cost differences with that. If the Horizon wants to privately kick the tires for the sake of due diligence or as a favor to CSU to help them get to the OVC that is fine. I just wouldn't ever admit it to anyone. If for some reason CSU is added to the league for expansion purposes well then that has the be the last straw with LeCrone running this league.
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Post by vugrad1314 on Sept 26, 2020 21:41:32 GMT -6
Aren't they only still in the WAC because the WAC is having membership issues? I thought I read somewhere that they have not exactly lived up to their end of membership agreements with the WAC. As much as I hope for better for Chicago State and wish that they could be strong enough to make it to a more suitable conference for their location I just can't see the OVC having any interest. They aren't that close to any OVC school really save for EIU their presence in the Chicago market is essentially zero and while they would probably be pretty competitive with the bottom half or bottom few of that league most years adding CSU feels like a surefire way to upset their flagship members. You're just asking for Murray State possibly Belmont and even schools like Austin Peay and Jacksonville State to look elsewhere at that point.
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Post by commissioner on Jan 14, 2021 15:14:49 GMT -6
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Post by ougrizz05 on Jan 14, 2021 19:49:48 GMT -6
Hopefully, they will be going to the OVC.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2021 20:35:28 GMT -6
Their options are extremely difficult to non-existent. The Horizon isn't interested although they are contemplating going to 14 teams. Even the OVC would cause travel problems for ChiState. They have no money. They can't even field a full coaching staff including a DBO. They can't get enough money from tuition because no one is enrolling. It is a travesty of an institution. The best thing for them is to abolish all sports and refocus on raising the academic standards. It'll take some time, but can happen. They are not coming to the HL.
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Post by ougrizz05 on Jan 16, 2021 8:32:22 GMT -6
Their options are extremely difficult to non-existent. The Horizon isn't interested although they are contemplating going to 14 teams. Even the OVC would cause travel problems for ChiState. They have no money. They can't even field a full coaching staff including a DBO. They can't get enough money from tuition because no one is enrolling. It is a travesty of an institution. The best thing for them is to abolish all sports and refocus on raising the academic standards. It'll take some time, but can happen. They are not coming to the HL. I wish them all the best!
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Post by metrosjags1969 on Mar 25, 2021 9:31:52 GMT -6
Their options are extremely difficult to non-existent. The Horizon isn't interested although they are contemplating going to 14 teams. Even the OVC would cause travel problems for ChiState. They have no money. They can't even field a full coaching staff including a DBO. They can't get enough money from tuition because no one is enrolling. It is a travesty of an institution. The best thing for them is to abolish all sports and refocus on raising the academic standards. It'll take some time, but can happen. They are not coming to the HL. I wish them all the best! I... don't. Not to be "that guy", but Chicago State has, for decades, embezzled funds, encouraged nepotism and cronyism in their staff as well as executives, preyed on disadvantaged or at-risk students to enroll yet do nothing to help them stay in school, and done nothing to stem their horrific graduation rates. Not to mention, when it comes to athletics, their recruitment policy is... I don't know to describe it, but I think it goes like "Can you shoot a basketball? Doesn't matter if it goes in, we'd like to give you a shot." Look, I know it's hard to throw stones given the school I root for, but sometimes, universities shouldn't have sports. Especially universities that don't know how to manage money.
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Post by gbphoenix1 on Sept 7, 2021 11:55:44 GMT -6
Don't look now but Chicago State managed to put together a real men's basketball schedule. One that is better than what much of the HL will do.
In addition they have a solid men's soccer team and women's volleyball team.
They seem to be putting their best foot forward as they try to find a new conference home. Hopefully that gets them an OVC invite.
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Post by gbphoenix1 on Sept 8, 2021 9:39:48 GMT -6
Don't look now but Chicago State managed to put together a real men's basketball schedule. One that is better than what much of the HL will do. ANY TEAM can put together that schedule when they are willing to sell themselves to the highest bidder. It's the definition of being a low major. Take all the buy games they can. It doesn't matter if they win any of them as long as they get paid. They are playing at home against St Thomas, SIUE, Tennessee St, Illinois State and Northern Illinois. They are playing on the road against Loyola, UC Santa Barbara, Pacific, Bowling Green, Loyola Maryland, IUPUI, Drake and Iowa State. That looks like 7 mid major home and home series, only one high major buy game, 4 mid major buy games and no non D1 games. They might not win a single game but that schedule is way better than what they have been doing. To my previous comment it's a better schedule than much of the HL will put together. I mention this because nobody wants them in the HL, myself included. However, it is clear they are trying to make their program more attractive to a new conference.
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Post by gbphoenix1 on Sept 9, 2021 9:00:22 GMT -6
They are playing at home against St Thomas, SIUE, Tennessee St, Illinois State and Northern Illinois. They are playing on the road against Loyola, UC Santa Barbara, Pacific, Bowling Green, Loyola Maryland, IUPUI, Drake and Iowa State. That looks like 7 mid major home and home series, only one high major buy game, 4 mid major buy games and no non D1 games. They might not win a single game but that schedule is way better than what they have been doing. To my previous comment it's a better schedule than much of the HL will put together. I mention this because nobody wants them in the HL, myself included. However, it is clear they are trying to make their program more attractive to a new conference. They didn't schedule 7 home and home mid-major series. Almost all of those road games are buy games, including the ones vs. mid-majors. They aren't the start of home/home series. All 5 home games are part of home and a home series, 4 are finishing the series. Loyola MD played at Chi State in 2019 as part of a home and home. IUPUI has maybe bought one D1 home game in the last 5 years. One of their new assistant coaches came from Chicago State. That's most likely a H/H. Drake, Loyola, Pacific and UC Santa Barbara are buy games. Bowling Green looks like they have been buying one D1 game per year. They still have 2 games to schedule so that looks like a buy game but may not be. So Chicago State has 6 for sure home and home games and most likely 7 with IUPUI. Be better, do your research.
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Post by HLFanaticus on Sept 16, 2021 1:13:56 GMT -6
Good for them. Hopefully they can begin the uphill, er, make that the "upmountain" climb to respectability. It will be very tough. Maybe down the road, an OVC invite could be viable.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2021 9:30:18 GMT -6
Well, the Horizon League just might be facing a most difficult decision in the upcoming months. With the upheaval that Texas and Oklahoma caused by moving from the Big 12 to the SEC, the trickle might hit the HL. The moves have caused the Loyola Ramblers to leave the MVC which will leave a Chicago void. The rumor mill is churning out that UIC might be one of the potential MVC additions and the Chicago replacement. If these things come to pass, then the HL will have a Chicago void. Chicago is too valuable a recruiting mecca to not be snatched up. This scenario just might be the opening a Chicago State University has been praying for!
We can say what we want about Chicago State and of course, we will, but us posters were pretty much saying certain things about not wanting Fort Wayne and IUPUI in the league. Some of us even went as far as to say that those two schools would never get into the Horizon. Well, we saw what happened there. Now the HL presidents might just have to make another tough decision. We'll see how things turn out in the next few months.
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Post by commissioner on Nov 25, 2021 10:37:49 GMT -6
Well, the Horizon League just might be facing a most difficult decision in the upcoming months. With the upheaval that Texas and Oklahoma caused by moving from the Big 12 to the SEC, the trickle might hit the HL. The moves have caused the Loyola Ramblers to leave the MVC which will leave a Chicago void. The rumor mill is churning out that UIC might be one of the potential MVC additions and the Chicago replacement. If these things come to pass, then the HL will have a Chicago void. Chicago is too valuable a recruiting mecca to not be snatched up. This scenario just might be the opening a Chicago State University has been praying for! We can say what we want about Chicago State and of course, we will, but us posters were pretty much saying certain things about not wanting Fort Wayne and IUPUI in the league. Some of us even went as far as to say that those two schools would never get into the Horizon. Well, we saw what happened there. Now the HL presidents might just have to make another tough decision. We'll see how things turn out in the next few months. Yikes! Fortunately for you, if this scenario comes to pass, you won't have to worry about the Horizon, you'll be in the MVC.
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