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Post by iwokeuplikethis on Jun 12, 2020 14:53:52 GMT -6
Yeah they won’t do divisions for BB.
20 games. Everyone has two teams they only play once (ie. only have to go there every other year).
RMU - UWM/UWGB YSU - UWM/UWGB
UWM - RMU/YSU UWGB - RMU/YSU
NKU - UDM/OU WSU - UDM/OU
UDM - WSU/NKU OU - WSU/NKU
FtW - CSU/UIC IUPUI - CSU/UIC
CSU - FtW/IUPUI UIC - FtW/IUPUI
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Post by HLFanaticus on Jun 13, 2020 2:34:15 GMT -6
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Post by HLFanaticus on Jun 13, 2020 7:33:41 GMT -6
Link per vindy.com: Neighborhood RivalIn the article, Coach Calhoun assumes/anticipates there will be a 22-game conference season: Robert Morris was scheduled to play YSU, 18-15 last season, in a non-conference game on Dec. 2, but the Penguins and all other Horizon League teams will play the Colonials twice — giving each league team 22 games on their schedule. League games would start in December.
“You’re seeing that with the Big Ten and the other Power Fives,” Calhoun said. “I think people love conference play. People are interested in league, more than non-league play.
“I would be in favor of 22 league games. With Robert Morris and Cleveland State being an hour away, your fans have access to get to those games on the road. I love it.”
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Post by vugrad1314 on Jun 13, 2020 9:46:40 GMT -6
22 league games is way too many. If they do that then LeCrone should never speak of being a multibid conference as a goal ever again. Even though the league is getting better and the Robert Morris addition is exciting, there's still too much Q4 dead weight to play 22 league games especially if they're also playing non D1s still.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2020 10:57:42 GMT -6
22 league games is way too many. If they do that then LeCrone should never speak of being a multibid conference as a goal ever again. Even though the league is getting better and the Robert Morris addition is exciting, there's still too much Q4 dead weight to play 22 league games especially if they're also playing non D1s still. LeCrone hasn’t talked about trying to be a multibid league in years. We have added teams to make scheduling easier and to keep travel costs low. We are doing a cross conference challenge with the SL to make scheduling easier and to keep travel cost low. None of the HL’s recent moves have been to try to make the HL a miltibid league. I hear you Big DWSU, but if you believe that about LeCrone, then what of the individual programs? What is that program's mindset: just be cool with saving money on reduced travel costs? What about the drive to be the best program possible, win a conference championship and get to the Dance?! I'm sure HL coaches have a different perspective on that. Outside of the geographical compactness and cost saving measures of the League, we have coaches that want to win! Granted, the NCAA has stacked the deck against Mid-majors and the P6 have pulled back on non-con games by going to 20-game conference schedules, but the coaches themselves...THEY WANT TO WIN!
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Post by vugrad1314 on Jun 13, 2020 11:03:48 GMT -6
My wish for any and all mid major schools is this: May every coach and program driven to win be blessed with an administration that feels likewise. It's so sad to me when you see a program that is clearly trying with what little support it is getting being hemstrung by an administration that could not give less of a rip about the success of athletics.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2020 13:13:50 GMT -6
My wish for any and all mid major schools is this: May every coach and program driven to win be blessed with an administration that feels likewise. It's so sad to me when you see a program that is clearly trying with what little support it is getting being hemstrung by an administration that could not give less of a rip about the success of athletics. Even with the changes that have occurred with the conference, I have been a die-hard HL fan even when we were in the battle to get the bid from the MVC that went to Loyola. This league has fallen on hard times. That's in part due to bad coaching hires, which in some ways is the result of an AD that can't evaluate personnel talent; financial constraints and coaches/assistant coaches recruiting players who they have miscalculated on. It seems to me that the League has made some coaching moves that, on paper, have the league going in the right direction. Luke Yaklich (UIC) and Will Ryan (GB) on paper look like good hires. Scott Nagy is the HL's standard bearer. Darin Horn (NKU) did a great job with John Brannen's players. Cleveland State's Dennis Gates surprised a lot of the pundits by NOT finishing in the HL basement. Jarrod Calhoun finally has his recruits and system in place and is showing what he can do. With the arrival of Robert Morris, the league is getting Andy Toole a good coach who has turned RMU into the best team in the NEC. I think Jon Coffman (PFW) is a good coach who will only get better with the recruiting inroads of being in the Horizon League. On paper and in game action, that's 8 of the 12 teams or almost 70% of the teams with good coaches. I still believe this conference will make it back to a top 12, mid-major conference. But that's just me.
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Post by topstraight on Jun 13, 2020 14:17:01 GMT -6
Speaking as an outside observer and rare poster here-- I think the Robert Morris move is pretty good. Who was better that would accept an invite? They have good basketball tradition with a few big wins in their past. Good travel and support. Should also give a boost to women's basketball. I think they will help the conference rating. Congrats!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2020 15:56:42 GMT -6
I hear you Big DWSU, but if you believe that about LeCrone, then what of the individual programs? What is that program's mindset: just be cool with saving money on reduced travel costs? What about the drive to be the best program possible, win a conference championship and get to the Dance?! I'm sure HL coaches have a different perspective on that. Outside of the geographical compactness and cost saving measures of the League, we have coaches that want to win! Granted, the NCAA has stacked the deck against Mid-majors and the P6 have pulled back on non-con games by going to 20-game conference schedules, but the coaches themselves...THEY WANT TO WIN! Chuck, my comments have absolutely nothing to do with LeCrone. LeCrone has tried to make the conference better. If you read my past posts in the thread you know that he tried to add NMSU and GCU a few years ago. It was member schools, specifically Detroit, CSU, YSU, and UWGB that shot that down. Our member schools want to make scheduling easier and to keep travel costs down. Most have accepted that we have dropped down to being a low major 1 bid conference now. If any of our ADs truly wanted the HL to get back to being a top mid-major they would have shot down the additions of IUPUI and IPFW. They would push for a league wide scheduling mandate to stop scheduling D2/D3/NAIA schools. They wouldn't enter into a conference showdown with another low major conference like the SL. None of those moves happened or could have happened without at least a 3/4 vote from HL ADs. I think some of our coaches have aspirations for more and honestly I think all of those coaches will be gone in the next 3-4 years if they have any kind of success. The HL was a stepping stone conference for coaches when we were a good mid-major. We are even more so now. Thanks Big D. Had no idea the AD's played a role. Thought it was strictly the Presidents/Chancellors making those decisions. I thought NMSU and GCU would've been good additions as well. In the end though, don't Presidents/Trustees have overriding powers?
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Post by vugrad1314 on Jun 13, 2020 20:04:26 GMT -6
It's interesting to me that we're actually seeing a lot of the same issues in the MVC. When we were added, it was an open secret that Murray State wanted in as well. When Belmont said no, instead of adding the Racers to further strengthening the conference and just living with 11 teams for a few years until either Belmont could be convinced to make the move or another school emerged to be our twelfth they left the Racers at the altar continued with 10 teams because the double round robin is sacrosanct and must never be curtailed and working with an odd number of teams is just too hard apparently (even though the MVC had done it before in the mid 90s when Tulsa was leaving.) Valpo struggled to adapt Ja Morant blew up and won a tournament game for Murray State and the rest is history. That could have been the MVC's tournament win, we could possibly have been a two bid league the year Loyola made the final 4, and we would have been in a strong position to court whichever twelfth member we wanted. Unfortunately the presidents passed on that idea and now nobody's sure if Murray State even wants to move to the MVC anymore. And they passed for reasons that have nothing to do with making the conference better which I thought was the goal of even being in a conference in the first place. I'm disappointed in Valpo for not handling the jump better, but I'm as disappointed if not more disappointed in the MVC presidents for not doing what's best for the conference and trying to make 11 teams work which really isn't even that hard. For a program of Murray State's caliber you make allowances and concessions even if the situation isn't ideal. The payoff is well worth it. I understand that there's more to running a college than sports but I am so disappointed in most university presidents' inability to see the benefits sports can provide a university and their subsequent unwillingness to commit more thoroughly to growing their schools' athletic prowess and presence. Yes the table is tilted and the deck is stacked against mid majors and we are right to complain about that but if we're all being honest with ourselves we're not exactly doing ourselves any favors with the way we mids conduct ourselves either. The MVC's stance on expansion appears to be softening but it remains to be seen what (if any) effect that will have on the future of the conference or what additions (if any) they will make. They can correct their mistake and add Murray State soon in all likelihood but it's too late to salvage what could have been.
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Post by vugrad1314 on Jun 13, 2020 20:28:31 GMT -6
All I was saying is that the situation is similar and drawing a parallel to issues the HL is facing but whatever dude. If you don't want me to post here I won't. Peace out and best of luck going forward.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2020 21:40:57 GMT -6
All I was saying is that the situation is similar and drawing a parallel to issues the HL is facing but whatever dude. If you don't want me to post here I won't. Peace out and best of luck going forward. I saw Big D's response coming a mile away while I was reading your post. You should know how Big D is. You were in the Horizon long enough. He's a Wright State guy first and foremost and since his team is in the HL, that's his second priority. Don't take it personal. He didn't say don't post here, just post stuff about the Horizon League or the current topic. Take it easy.
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Post by rogobob77 on Jun 14, 2020 11:32:28 GMT -6
Sources: Robert Morris will hold a press conference on Monday at 1 PM ET to announce that it's officially joining the Horizon League for the 20-21 season.
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Post by HLFanaticus on Jun 14, 2020 12:33:46 GMT -6
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Post by letsgoromo on Jun 14, 2020 15:07:29 GMT -6
Looks unofficially official is becoming officially official!
Very excited to learn more about the league and individual teams.
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